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Having just joined, I don't want to be presumptuous and just make these changes (especially since there may be SMW interactions I'm unaware of), but I've noticed some places where categories/links/labels/ect don't quite match each other. The oddest case is Materials/Raw Materials/Ores: {{tl|Itemnav}} lists Ingots as Materials and Ores as Raw Materials, [[Raw Materials]] is a page about Ingots, [[Materials]] redirects to Raw Materials, {{tl|Itembox}} on pages about Ingots links to [[Material]] (which doesn't exist), and the Main Page links to [[Crafting Materials]] ''and'' [[Raw Materials]], both of which go to the page about Ingots, and does not link to [[Ores]].
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With such finite and well-defined item types in the game, I would think we'd have these pages and their associated categories:
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If we don't want to call Stone an Ore, we could select a different name for that group of unrefined materials, but we should certainly standardize on ''something'' instead of this halfway point where Raw Materials is being used in some places to mean Unrefined Materials and other places to mean Refined Materials.
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''Sure it's not a big difference, and can be avoided anyway by having appropriate redirects, but it's usually simpler just to have Article titles be singular.''
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I would also think [[Small ship]] and [[Large ship]] should be moved to [[Small Ship]] and [[Large Ship]] to match their [[:File:Toolbar config.jpg|in-game names]]. Finally, we seem to be lacking the page [[Space Engineers]], which would describe the game this wiki's all about. Comments? Questions? I can make most of the changes, but am not [[wikipedia:WP:BOLD|bold]] enough to do them without discussion on my first day here. --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] ([[User talk:Timrem|talk]]) 04:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:Don't see why you cant. The old pages are the way they are primarily because this wiki started in early alpha. Things weren't set in stone and things were moved around, renamed etc, and the wiki wasn't updated to reflect the in game changes. And hey we can always just revert what you do. If the change betters the wiki and helps make it more accurate and accessible go ahead and make the change. --[[User:Draygo|Draygo]] ([[User talk:Draygo|talk]]) 06:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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::In that case, could I get the redirects at [[Ore]], [[Component]], and [[Tool]] deleted? Since they each have a page history, I can't move the articles from their existing locations to these suggested ones. Thanks! --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] ([[User talk:Timrem|talk]]) 01:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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:::[[Template:Delete|There's a template for that]] - [[User:Professor Cupcake|Professor Cupcake]] ([[User talk:Professor Cupcake|talk]]) 18:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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::::That template [[:Category:Articles Marked for Deletion|seems a bit ignored]]. --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] ([[User talk:Timrem|talk]]) 23:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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There are a few assumptions and standards on the wiki that are obvious and barely thought about by experienced users, but are not entirely clear to newbies. My suggestion here is to add some form of "introduction" page, featured prominently on the main page, that explains some of these. - [[User:Professor Cupcake|Professor Cupcake]] ([[User talk:Professor Cupcake|talk]]) 18:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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:What kind of assumptions and standards do you mean? Gameplay or wiki related? --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] ([[User talk:Timrem|talk]]) 23:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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::Maybe make a page like [[Help:Getting started]]. We can always use more of this, if you care to write it :). --[[User:Draygo|Draygo]] ([[User talk:Draygo|talk]]) 10:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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::[[Help:Contents]] was apparently delinked in the site navigation. I have rectified this problem. --[[User:Draygo|Draygo]] ([[User talk:Draygo|talk]]) 13:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Having just joined, I don't want to be presumptuous and just make these changes (especially since there may be SMW interactions I'm unaware of), but I've noticed some places where categories/links/labels/ect don't quite match each other. The oddest case is Materials/Raw Materials/Ores: {{Itemnav}} lists Ingots as Materials and Ores as Raw Materials, Raw Materials is a page about Ingots, Materials redirects to Raw Materials, {{Itembox}} on pages about Ingots links to Material (which doesn't exist), and the Main Page links to Crafting Materials and Raw Materials, both of which go to the page about Ingots, and does not link to Ores.

With such finite and well-defined item types in the game, I would think we'd have these pages and their associated categories:

If we don't want to call Stone an Ore, we could select a different name for that group of unrefined materials, but we should certainly standardize on something instead of this halfway point where Raw Materials is being used in some places to mean Unrefined Materials and other places to mean Refined Materials.

Side note: I'm a fan of singular Article names and pluralized Category names, in part because it's standard practice, but mostly because it avoids unnecessary pipelinking:

"this is a Tool." "these are Tools."
page at "Tool" this is a [[Tool]]. these are [[Tool]]s.
page at "Tools" this is a [[Tools|Tool]]. these are [[Tools]].

Sure it's not a big difference, and can be avoided anyway by having appropriate redirects, but it's usually simpler just to have Article titles be singular.

I would also think Small ship and Large ship should be moved to Small Ship and Large Ship to match their in-game names. Finally, we seem to be lacking the page Space Engineers, which would describe the game this wiki's all about. Comments? Questions? I can make most of the changes, but am not bold enough to do them without discussion on my first day here. --timrem (talk) 04:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't see why you cant. The old pages are the way they are primarily because this wiki started in early alpha. Things weren't set in stone and things were moved around, renamed etc, and the wiki wasn't updated to reflect the in game changes. And hey we can always just revert what you do. If the change betters the wiki and helps make it more accurate and accessible go ahead and make the change. --Draygo (talk) 06:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
In that case, could I get the redirects at Ore, Component, and Tool deleted? Since they each have a page history, I can't move the articles from their existing locations to these suggested ones. Thanks! --timrem (talk) 01:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
There's a template for that - Professor Cupcake (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
That template seems a bit ignored. --timrem (talk) 23:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion: An intro to the wiki

There are a few assumptions and standards on the wiki that are obvious and barely thought about by experienced users, but are not entirely clear to newbies. My suggestion here is to add some form of "introduction" page, featured prominently on the main page, that explains some of these. - Professor Cupcake (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

What kind of assumptions and standards do you mean? Gameplay or wiki related? --timrem (talk) 23:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Maybe make a page like Help:Getting started. We can always use more of this, if you care to write it :). --Draygo (talk) 10:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Help:Contents was apparently delinked in the site navigation. I have rectified this problem. --Draygo (talk) 13:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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